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Cable guides, 3rd revision. Check.
For a brief time yesterday afternoon, all of the Ragley’s cables were going to go under the downtube. I asked Ed to come around and see what he thought, he slapped me, and I put ’em back like they were.
Then in a moment of “does it have to be like that”, I’ve revised it again, and now have all three control cables/hoses under the top tube, and then the disc brake hose routing under the seatstay to the chainstay mounted caliper. To work right, the brake caliper needs an adjustable banjo connector. It works perfectly about 80% of the brakes I checked out the other day and 100% of the ones I’d actually consider using.
Keeps the downtube and chainstays clear. We’ve got some lovely CNC’d cable guides coming, courtesy of Ginger Shen from the Yozu Metal Company.
Lynskey are on with water-jetting dropouts and other parts – a slight revision to the seatstay brace too (for their welders sanity) and we’re looking good for production.
Oh, and the steel and alloy samples should be in transit this time next week. We can’t wait!
shedfire
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Al 8:13 am on April 8, 2009 | #
Last I checked the only Shimano brake calliper with a banjo was a Saint, and then I think it’s in the wrong plane for what you are describing… Clearly I’m missing something.
shedfire 8:32 am on April 8, 2009 | #
My Shimano XT’s have ’em. I will have a play. It’s not terminal if they don’t.
shedfire 8:32 am on April 8, 2009 | #
Oh, and thanks for the feedback!
Paul 8:48 am on April 8, 2009 | #
My shimanos are a straight connector too. Don’t know if you can get a banjo connection instead though
shedfire 8:51 am on April 8, 2009 | #
Oh balls.
Paul 8:53 am on April 8, 2009 | #
To be fair, mine are the LX m585’s from a couple of years ago
Sim 8:58 am on April 8, 2009 | #
Shimano SLX have straight connectors. AFAIK all Avid brakes have a banjo though.
shedfire 9:05 am on April 8, 2009 | #
Hmm.
iain 9:22 am on April 8, 2009 | #
Pics?
What ball park figure are we looking at for the steel / alloy frames and how long till production?
Shaun Murray 9:43 am on April 8, 2009 | #
You’re welcome to try out my stash of older calipers – got Marta, Hope, Avid (I think that’s yours actually), Hayes, Shimano and Formula in my shed/on various bikes.
DanLees 9:53 am on April 8, 2009 | #
My old (2004 vintage ish) Saints would fit fine. My very old Hope minis probably would be ok too i think.
Al 9:57 am on April 8, 2009 | #
Ahh, old XT do, new XTs don’t. I have new XTs. I don’t think it’d work for my Mono6Ti’s (care? no).
shedfire 10:09 am on April 8, 2009 | #
All the Avid’s will work. All the Hayes will. All the Formula I can see.
Flippin shimano.
Chris 10:20 am on April 8, 2009 | #
Old XTR (M965) are straight out without a banjo. As are my Tektro Auriga’s, not sure they would have been on your list of brakes you would chose though.
Am really looking forward to seeing alloy and steel ones, want a relative novice to try one round Dyfi enduro course for you? 🙂
Al 10:44 am on April 8, 2009 | #
Brant, when you say “All X will” are you just looking at current designs or are you going back a few years too?
perttime 12:31 pm on April 8, 2009 | #
Eyeballing my LX brakes, I think the hose would go pretty straight to the chainstay. Bending it to the seatstay would create a little loop, but not all that much more than it does when the brake is in the “normal”place.
shedfire 2:14 pm on April 8, 2009 | #
No – the loopy loop is not good. OK – I’m withdrawing this modification and reverting to the older (2 on the top tube, 1 on the downtube) version.
paul 2:48 pm on April 8, 2009 | #
So are we now a bit like a ‘leading think tank’?
Olly 3:02 pm on April 8, 2009 | #
My Magura Julies don’t have a banjo. I think they’re a 2006 vintage.
With that said, I don’t think it’d be much of a problem – the tube comes out near the top, meaning a massive loop before they drop back behind the swingarm on my Prophet 🙂
shedfire 3:12 pm on April 8, 2009 | #
Actually. Duh! FICKO… Cable guides are bolt on. I will do both 🙂
Paul 3:24 pm on April 8, 2009 | #
🙂
Chris 10:08 pm on April 8, 2009 | #
Speaking of ficko, the bleed nipple is straight out on an M956 but the brake line is on a banjo.
Sigh, wouldn’t trust me with the Tektro either…
Adrian 7:06 am on April 9, 2009 | #
you cant please all the people all the time
Adrian 7:11 am on April 9, 2009 | #
brant i do have a local waterjet cutting place near me i just give him a dxf file and the material and by the end of the day i have some bits to play with,,,
Jason 11:18 am on April 9, 2009 | #
Have you seen the steel or alloy version yet?
I hope the joints are as neat as they look on the ti version.